Jesus is the head of the church. Members leaving to join up with non-Calvinistic churches were not granted releases. His head has been filled with foolishness that he thinks is “God.” He’s a youngster who pridefully and arrogantly thinks he knows the Bible and the mind of God so well that he can, with great certainty, pass judgment on my spiritual condition. Larry and Linda Johnson were members of Somerset Baptist Church, and when we decided to move, they packed up their belongings and moved to Elmendorf a week or so later. . Carol Burnett Show outtakes - Tim Conway vs Wheelchair. Tim Conway | The Armour of God. There is no church where everyone within the organized church is truly saved and walks with God 24 hrs a day. Ask Pastor Tim – Biblical Question & Answer Session #1. Grace Community Church : Play. Bruce, If There is No God, Who Determines What is Moral? He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. Tim Conway, preaching at a nursing home. I can only imagine what I might have become had I continued on this path. Question & Answer | 101 min: Draw Near to God: The Attitude. 5:41. Un solo mensaje: CRISTO y ESTE Crucificado. Blessed Are The Peacemakers (Part 2) Tim Conway 1 week ago. 220+ | 3 min. 280+ | 19 min: The Breastplate of Righteousness (Part 3) - Putting On The Breastplate. Horner threatened to shoot my dog if it ever did any like that again, and he wanted to shoot the pig, but I was able to convince him that it was wrong to do so. While this settled the proper English debate, Horner would continue to have a problem with the way I did the bulletin. . Imagine, one of his favorite preachers had an unsaved, sexual deviant as his pastor. Karma’s a bitch. (1 Corinthians 1:23). Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Tim Conway, a reformed baptist preacher out of Texas, is accused of preaching this. Their failure to do so is a story that has repeated itself numerous times in countless churches. In many instances, other local Calvinistic churches refused to accept as members those who had been excommunicated. Grace Fellowship Manchester : Play. Conway is now pastor of Grace Community Church in San Antonio. Grace Community Church : Play. We have a passion to be an aggressively God-loving, Bible-saturated, Spirit-filled, racially diverse church knowing and proclaiming the excellencies of Christ for the glory of God and the joy of all people. Then when your local church no longer wanted you, you dump Jesus with it. They are given to men. Donations are always appreciated. (Please read the series I am a Publican and a Heathen.) What is it about my story they find so threatening? — any fair-minded person would conclude that they are. There was an air of excitement in the church, a hunger for the preaching and teaching of God’s Word. Before I ask you it, we have to define what a born-again Christian is. I maintain, there is no complete mastery over sin in this life, for “if we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.” (1 John 1:10). Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The Gerencsers’ first act as co-pastor and family was to officially join the Community Baptist Church. I now walk with God regardless of what any church says or believes. In March 1993, I packed up my family — five children in the backseat and Polly, seven months pregnant, in the front — and drove to Texas to preach at Community’s annual Bible Conference. When we moved to Elmendorf, a family from Ohio moved with us. We argued about everything from my dog getting under the church and chewing the phone line to whether or not it was okay to shoot the neighbor’s feral pig. The Buitrons were in need of a washer (and maybe a dryer). That’s why chronology puts grace first. Our disagreement was over whether the church should know about the fund. Copyright © 2021 The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser – Powered by Flywheel, Dear Family, Friends, and Former Parishioners, I am a Publican and a Heathen — Part Four, Jose Maldonado Says I Never Was a Christian, Gone but Not Forgotten: 22 Years Later San Antonio Calvinists Still Preaching Against Bruce Gerencser, Gone but Not Forgotten: Years Later San Antonio Calvinists Still Preaching Against Bruce Gerencser, https://brucegerencser.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/joe_maldonado_sermon-2.mp3. This, of course, is exactly how I viewed the church. . His ministry is becoming increasingly more known through the efforts of illbehonest.com. But many, even my wife and me after watching the first 8 minutes of his Christian Perfectionism video (which if you wait long enough, he denounces the idea, but he makes you wait I suppose to “shock” you) thought he can get awfully close to denouncing grace. Later in the year, Horner called and asked me if I would be willing to come and work with him. Thankfully, being filleted and hung out to dry forced me to take a hard look at my life and beliefs. In early October 1994, after all the events described in Part Three of this series, Horner decided to bring me before the church for the purposes of discipline and possible ex-communication. I remain a red-flashing-light reminder of the fact that pastors — men who once preached the unsearchable riches of Jesus Christ — can and do apostatize. Pay particular attention to the fact that Nye tells me he is 21 years old and that he became a Christian after years as a porn-loving atheist/agnostic. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen awesome grandchildren. Pastor Tim came to Conway Nazarene in September of 2013. I can assure you that “inner-rebellion” is completely gone. Community is a Calvinistic (Sovereign Grace) Baptist church, started by Pat Horner — a former Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) preacher. This is not to judge their salvation or motives. Pastors Tim Conway and José Maldonado, both former members of Community Baptist Church, have in recent years publicly “exposed” Bruce Gerencser for who he really is. See! They're all in the same category. Theology or preaching must have been your #1 thing while Jesus was just some accessory. Conway was a member of Community during my tenure there. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. The 1994 conference took place a week or so after we moved to Elmendorf. Has this website blessed you? People will believe what they want to believe. Since people had to have the church’s permission to join the church, according to Horner and church elders, they also had to have the church’s permission to leave. It is not just one of the elders who shepherds. (He never personally uses or views this Facebook page. The Wayne Aarum Saga: Evangelical Woman Defends and Justifies Aarum’s Predatory Behavior, A “Loving” Evangelical Christian and His “Loving” God, God Forgives and Forgets and So Should We, Says IFB Christian. Joe worked long hours, especially when we began building a new church facility. Tim is a passionate teacher of the word of God. While all of these people are still Christians, they appreciated my willingness to shine the light on the horrific disciplinary practices used by many Calvinistic pastors and churches. I do attend a local church now, and yes, they are not perfect in their doctrines. The way you talk is different, spend your money is different, work is different, etc. Sadly, for them anyway, their attempts to do so have miserably failed. Numerous prayers have been uttered on my behalf, yet God has not seen fit to save or kill me. All told, Ugarte read the aforementioned series, Dear Family, Friends, and Former Parishioners,  Why I Hate Jesus, and the ABOUT page. . In July 2015, Hovind was paroled. People were excommunicated for everything from not regularly attending church to refusing to submit to pastoral authority. In 1 Peter 5 the Bible identifies those who shepherd the flock as the elders. I have been told countless times that the reason I am an atheist today is that I never met the R-E-A-L Jesus or that I was religious, but lost. Tim is simply a pastor of Grace Community Church of San Antonio, Tx. Since these dropouts did not notify the church (Horner) about leaving, they were, by church vote (almost always a rubber stamp to Horner’s request) removed from the membership. Not long before I became co-pastor of the church, two men from Kalamazoo, Michigan moved to Elmendorf so they could be part of the church. By the way, Ugarte came to this site via a search for Tim Conway, pastor of Grace Community Church in San Antonio, Texas. As we drove by the church, we passed a parking lot filled with cars. Grace Community Church : Play. Horner could lie about me, and there was little I could do about it (He told several people that the church I was pastoring in Ohio was filled with unsaved people). Tim Conway's unpredictable ad-libs and spontaneous slapstick is legendary for pushing his scene partners out of character and passed the forth wall All I can do is tell my side of the story. And if men of God can lose their faith, well, anyone can. Not today. When studying homiletics, the art of sermon preparation and delivery, we must start with James 3:1 and consider how the Bible says, “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness My only regret is that the same did not happen for Horner. As I mentioned above, I was in charge of one of the disciplinary meetings. Tim Conway | Ask Pastor Tim. Pastors such as Horner and I can easily be driven by personal wants, needs, and desires. Or how about this: The futility that people walking around just spending their time; I was thinking about, some of you know about Bruce Gerencser, who was one of the co-elders down at Community Baptist Church when Ruby and I were down there, who apostatized and basically became an Atheist. Grace Community Church : Play . The church I attended was also full of pride and did not recognize that they were missing the heart of Jesus. Grace Community Church : Play . The food, music, and preaching were outstanding. Blessed Are The Peacemakers (Part 2) 1:07:16 . That, folks, is futility. A stewardship of God's grace. In later years, after a lot of reflection and soul-searching, I made several attempts to reconcile with Horner, hoping that in doing so it would put an end to all the gossip and lies that were being spread by not only him, but other leaders in the church. ( Log Out /  When we think of meekness, it truly is a rare quality in this world. See! Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Saying a sinner’s prayer and trusting in the prayer won’t do it. Based on several posts on his now-defunct blog, Matt Nye is a Calvinist. In this letter — which was sent to numerous ministerial colleagues, family members, and former church members — I detailed the reasons why I was no longer a Christian. Several weeks later, we drove to Texas to meet with the church membership. Tim Conway, preaching at a nursing home. I made no attempt to engage Nye or answer his emails. What I’m asking you to consider is this, were you truly “born-again”? After he emailed me the first time, I responded and told him I wasn’t interested in corresponding with him. Pastors Tim Conway and José Maldonado, both former members of Community Baptist Church, have in recent years publicly “exposed” Bruce Gerencser for who he really is. When you look at the Venus Fly Trap or any other Carnivorous plants, are you really going to believe that it was the result of a mutation? My seven-month tenure at Community quickly turned into buyer’s remorse, and in late September, I resigned and returned to Ohio. Grace Community Church : Play. Are You Struggling Against Sin or a Slave to Sin? And how could you let that happened? He is the beginner and perfecter of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). Shouldn’t he be praying and preparing for the Lord’s Day as I am? That doesn’t exist. Change ). I spent many a Sunday evening after service talking theology with the men of the church. Larry Johnson met with Horner, and afterward Horner came to me and said he doubted Larry was a “real” Christian. I told all of them that nothing good would come from the disciplinary meeting. As Kenny Rogers sang (The Gambler), You’ve got to know when to hold ’em / Know when to fold ’em / Know when to walk away / And know when to run. Is the Age of Accountability Biblical? Leaving without church approval was viewed as a betrayal of the covenantal relationship between members. As I would later learn, church members were routinely disciplined for violating membership requirements. Ironically, the church did not excommunicate Polly or our children. The monster that I had fed and used to control “sinful” church members finally devoured its creator. . Ken Hovind attended Midwestern Baptist College, the same college I attended in the 1970s. I’m willing I can describe your situation all those years. I was a false convert until the age of about 20 when the Lord opened my heart and saved me. You don’t have faith by your own free will, it is “not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.”. Medders Asks: What Do You Think Jesus is Doing Right Now? If Christians are “new creations” and no longer “make a practice out of sinning,” do they become sinless and perfect? And, when a Christian does, he will feel guilty and take measures not to stumble again. After talking it over with Polly (and God), I decided that God wanted me to remain the pastor of Somerset Baptist Church. We know this to be true: All you ever need to know about how to be funny in life can be gleaned from Bugs Bunny cartoons, Marx Brothers movies, Michael J. People who left the church or stopped attending were routinely disciplined (Matthew 18:15-20), resulting in ex-communication. I was quite sad when the Johnson family, convinced by Horner that I was a bad man filled with pride, later turned against me. (He never personally uses or views this Facebook page. Horner left Community four years after I did, starting several churches and leaving them. 49 talking about this. It was with me. Well, here’s some true facts from me. Well here’s an example “Fact is, I have studied the Bible and read far more books than many of you. Blessed Are The Peacemakers (Part 2) Tim Conway | Sermon On The Mount Grace Fellowship Manchester. There really is a God. SUN 05/10/2020. They knew that this was a power struggle over who would control the church, a power struggle I knew I couldn’t win. The reason I typically no longer answer comments and emails such as this one is that I am tired of explaining myself. While they most likely view my de-conversion as a sure sign that I never was a Christian, I am grateful that Horner and the church were instrumental in forcing me to take a hard look at the kind of man I was and how my beliefs were harmful to others. And right here in Ephesians chapter 4, futility of mind is the characterization of the Gentiles. Not long after that incident, I gave the bulletin job to someone else. Over the next seven months, Pat Horner and I would have skirmishes that became increasingly combative and angry. Joe Buitron and his family lived on The Compound directly across the gravel road from our mobile home. What I don’t understand is, what does any of this have to do with Jesus and God? Christ died for you; therefore He is certainly not going to require anything of you that would ultimately harm you, but He is abundantly for your good. They are a waste of effort. I finally brought his financial struggles to Horner and the elders, and after a bit of shaming, they gave Joe a pay raise. SAT 09/12/2020. Mankind wants to feel good, and mankind strives after that. What, do you really think you are going to show me that will be so powerful and unknown that it will cause me to return to the religion and politics of my past?” Religion and politics? Hendricks (married to Horner’s sister-in-law, I believe) was unhappy with Horner and with me, revealing, at least in my mind, at the time, that he had a “rebellious” heart. Repost from 2015-2016. He would later humble himself before “God” and have his ordination reinstated. In recognizing the church’s authority to receive me into, and dismiss me from, its membership, I purpose when seeking to remove myself from her membership to seek the counsel, the approval, and the blessing of the church in seeking to join myself to another church of like faith and practice . You keep reading here in Ephesians 3. There was quite a bit of movement in and out of the church membership. Best I can tell, he is a missionary in India, perhaps Nepal. Like this energy within you that is fighting against something. And yeh, maybe you’re right, “The church robbed me of so much of my life.” Yes, I believed that local church may have done you an injustice by allowing you to preach and teach without confirming your heart and desires to do so were for God alone, but it was also your fault because you fell in love with it. When people won’t allow you to tell your story on your own terms and accept what you say at face value, it is a waste of time trying to convince them that they are wrong. Not only apostles, but prophets, evangelists, pastor-teacher. This was all about two arrogant, self-righteous, bull-headed men who couldn’t get along with each other, yet I was the one who had to make things right. Not long before I became co-pastor of the church, two men from Kalamazoo, Michigan moved to Elmendorf so they could be part of the church. I can say with a little bit of pride that, over the course of 25 years in the ministry, I never experienced or fomented a church split. As a card-carrying member of the John Calvin Club, surely Nye knows that God has decreed and predestined me to be an arch-enemy of Christianity. Taking a “watch me” approach, I packed up my family and moved back to Ohio. The funny thing is, you never mentioned you did these things for Jesus, which kind of completes the puzzle, in that you were just RELIGIOUS. Sunday: Bible School 9:30am &Worship 10:30am. (also titled “why Bruce Gerencser Was NEVER, EVER a Christian!) His ministry is becoming increasingly more known through the efforts of illbehonest.com. Horner was a Texan and I hailed from the rural Midwest. How did the church become more important than Jesus? J.A. Like the false prophets of Jeremiah’s day, he and the thousands like him … We may have had elders and deacons who were supposedly equal in power and authority, but these officeholders were little more than façades that covered up ego-driven, authoritarian rule. His micromanaging quickly got under my skin, even though, in retrospect, some of his corrections were justified. (1 Corinthians 1:23). We were both in charge of the same real estate, and this led to frequent conflict. Setting my alarm is a work that is evidence of my faith, that tomorrow will occur. No longer. That is vain. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. One leader in the church would later remark after I left that he knew I was never a “real” Calvinist. The only thing left is my sinful flesh which is dying little by little. Did You Know Atheists Are Sexual Deviants? Absolutely Yes. The church was founded by Pat Horner. That is how I serve the church of Jesus. Grace Fellowship Manchester : Play. A week or so after we joined the church, the Johnson family arrived in Elmendorf, and as we did, they joined the church. Grace Community Church in San Antonio, Texas is reformed in that we believe in the doctrines of grace and at the same time we are very evangelistic and missions-minded. During lunch, Horner angrily lit into me about the sound problem, and he let me know that I better get it fixed. When we moved to Texas, we did not watch TV. Larry and Linda had three children and Larry was a heating and air conditioning contractor. You know the message already, but the truth is that it was never in your heart. Tim Conway is a pastor at Grace Community Church in San Antonio, Texas where he lives with his wife, Ruby, and four children. Please bless the Moscow Patriarchate's missionary efforts in Cambodia to bring the Gospel to a people who have not heard it! Tim is a passionate, gifted teacher of the word of God. So I decided to leave on my own. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. The church believed that excommunicated members were to be considered publicans and heathens — thus the title of this series. SUN 08/30/2020. Donations for the Orthodox Church in Cambodia, Gregory Palamas Did Not Teach the Immaculate Conception, The Orthodox Doctrine of Original Sin: A Comprehensive Treatment, Gregory of Nyssa Is Not a Universalist: An Introduction, More Proof Irenaeus Thought Jesus Lived to 50 Years Old, OCA-South's Response to Father Peter Heers, The Orthodox Doctrine of Justification versus Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. From what it appears to me, Conway is not teaching “perfectionism,” because he specifically denounces it. Spot on! Each of us was temperamental and we both had aggressive type-A personalities. Truth is, everyone in that Community was not saved, and those who were, are the true body of Christ. Gotta love the irony, right? TUE 05/26/2020. And we as Christians need to be on guard against this and combat it. 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